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AMG, you are a goddess amongst men. If you are the artist, I have confidence that this could be done well. Were you the person that initially suggested this? [[User:Bytor|Bytor]]
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Written by Amysteriousgal
  
:I think 3, 4, and 5 are very doable, and are short enough they shouldn't be a big deal. I think we could perhaps do those to get the system down, and then tackle 2. I presume 4 and 5 will not have any choices in the paths? Personally, I don't have a huge interest in the dating sim as I haven't actually played one before, but if there is interest, I would certainly be willing to help with it. If the guys in Welcome to the NHK can make one, then surely we can, too, right? [[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 14:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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Last updated 2012-12-19
  
::I'll look into how wiki software can help us with this; I'd like the pages related to this to be semiprotected, so only logged in users can edit, and potentially some pages that can only be seen by approved users. [[User:Bytor|Bytor]]
 
  
:::Indeed I was. Thank you; I don't have as much confidence in my drawing ability as you seem to, but I'll certainly do the best I can. [[User:Amysteriousgal]]
 
  
::::I don't believe I've seen any of your work fully colored, but your general style and skill level are definitely good. [[User:Bytor|Bytor]]
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''Suggested background: Blurry anime screencaps, possibly in black and white/sepia? There's no need for any people to appear in this one. It should be more effective if we don't include other people beyond some chattering in the background noise.''
  
:::::I really only work with chunks of flat colours. The shading is usually built into the lineart. Never quite worked out how to do things any other way. I'll see if I can put something together by tomorrow, maybe a title screen illustration. [[User:Amysteriousgal|Amysteriousgal]] 16:07, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
:::3, 4 and 5 would probably be linear. 5 might need a menu to let users select different sections. That's pretty easy to implement. 1 and 2 could work with simple branching (which I've used) or with flags and/or points (which I haven't, but doesn't seem hard). They probably won't be too long, either. The dating sim could potentially take up about half the entire VN, if we choose to write it seriously. If it's a comedy, like the day in the life, then it could be extremely short. [[User:Amysteriousgal|Amysteriousgal]] 15:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
I would like to offer help, if needed. I'm not much of a visual artist nor programmer, but could help out with GUI design or basic Ren'Py code. In addition to that, I could perhaps provide a Japanese translation (I'm the Japanese studying mebby weeaboo) or provide sound FX and other help with audio (I have a decent large diagram microphone and some audio hobbyist background). Or whatever else you might need help with. Let's make this happen! --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 15:13, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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''Classroom, chattering''
  
== Project management platform? ==
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'''Chisa:''' 'I'm sorry... I'm sorry...'
What sort of setup will we need for the software? Should we have subversion repository, or would something simple like google drive be enough? Also, I think it might be best for us to use an Agile-like process for working on this. (can you tell I'm a programmer :(? ) Since this will be several short pieces, we can work on one, and start with a bare structure, and then flesh it out as the pieces are created. [[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 16:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
: I've been using Dropbox with success in some other online projects. I'm fine with Google Drive as well though. I would imagine one of us (AMG probably) creates the 1st draft in Ren'Py, archives its contents, and uploads to a cloud we use. Then we can create and discuss new revisions as we go. That's probably something similar to the Agile-like process you described? --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 16:21, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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I don't know why, but I can never do anything right.
:''edit:'' It could even be an FPT folder @mebious.com I guess, in case you have sufficient amount of drive space available and you're willing to make one. Visual novels archive quite neatly, especially if we keep the music files local. --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 16:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
::I can volunteer space. it will probably be on a subdomain (likely m.mebious.com) and a non-80 port, but computer resources are not an isssue. [[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 19:57, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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It was only a minor role in our class play. I only had one line. Just one.
  
:::: I may go so far as to make a VM, and then share the username/password with you all, so that you could do ssh and scp to it. [[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 01:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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...But I couldn't say it. It got to my turn and... I couldn't say anything! At all!
  
::Re: process, that would work. The basic idea is that you go through cycles, and at the end of each cycle you have a "working" product. So the first step is to get the basic layout down. then add more text fleshing out each scene, more art, more sounds, etc. I'll have to sit down and play with ren'py myself I guess to see if I really know what I'm talking about for this situation.[[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 01:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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Everyone was staring at me. Everyone was waiting for me. The main character couldn't do anything until I gave him his cue.
  
:::Not entirely sure what's going on here. May need to retrieve bear hat before proceeding further. ...I tried putting together the start of Lain's life and Chisa's story in Ren'Py just now. All my Lain screencaps are 480 x 360, but they scaled up surprisingly well. It's standard for VN backgrounds to look blurry, right? Do we want to specify a more Lain-like typeface? I was thinking of Courier New or something like it. 02:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[[User:Amysteriousgal|Amysteriousgal]]
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I started shaking.
  
::::640x480 seems like The Classic VN Resolution, although it's rather small by today's standards. I'd suggest 1024x768 (4:3) or 1024×576 (16:9). As for the font, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimbus_Mono_L Nimbus Mono L] comes pretty close to Courier New, and is open source. --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 16:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
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I wanted to cry.
  
:::::Ren'Py defaults to 800x600, so that's what I've gotten used to, although it could be changed. Nimbus Mono L sounds good - do you think it's suitable for a Lain VN? It probably fits in with the themes and setting, right? [[User:Amysteriousgal|Amysteriousgal]] 17:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
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I was so confused.
  
::::::Is there any chance of allowing scaling or stretching with ren'py? At the very least, being able to maximize it. I have a 1920x1200 screen, and anything locked at 800x600 makes me :( [[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 01:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
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Why was this happening?
  
::::::Yeah, I think the font style would fit right in, most likely. --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 20:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
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I think they moved on somehow. The play continued. They all left me behind.
  
:::::::I tried using Cutive Mono [https://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Cutive+Mono] just now. It's under an OFL and looks like this:
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''Black, silence''
  
:::::::[[File:Cap1.png|400px]]
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...And then, suddenly, I understood it.
  
:::::::What do you think?
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They didn't need me.
  
::::::::I think that looks great. It's monospace, and has a nice sort of cold feeling (...because its monospace) which suits Lain well.[[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 01:32, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
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The world didn't need me.
  
== Regarding the music ==
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Everything became so clear as soon as I noticed.
By the way, should we want to make this project comply copyrights (not that I really care, but it'd be nice), we could consider using available open music out there. For example, [http://archive.org/details/nineinchnails_ghosts_I_IV Nine Inch Nail's ''"Ghosts"''] has been released under a [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/ Creative Commons licence]. While of course not identical to the SEL soundtrack, I personally think it comes really close to the thematics described at the planning page, and to those of SEL in general. Do give it a listen if you have the time, and let me know what you think. --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 15:27, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
:I like it. It's probably easier to use than the Lain soundtrack is, actually. We'll probably run with Creative Commons music in the end. Just make sure not to mix CC-BY-SA with CC-BY-NC-SA, since that would lead to messy licensing things. [[User:Amysteriousgal|Amysteriousgal]] 15:38, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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'''Chisa:''' 'I...'
  
:: Yes. One big thing to note though would probably be that using the aforementioned NiN album would require us to release this game with a similar, open licence, including all our own intellectual content put into it. I would personally have no problem with this, but it's worth pointing out. --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 16:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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'''Chisa:''' '...don't need to be here.'
  
:::I have no problem with it, either. Being attributed is nice, nobody is in this for the money, and spreading Creative Commons is a worthwhile cause. [[User:Amysteriousgal|Amysteriousgal]] 16:07, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
::::I'm cool with it being open, as well. [[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 16:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
::::: Alright then! In case we need more music, [http://search.creativecommons.org/ CC Search] with Jamendo and SoundCloud selected is handy. (I'm thinking especially the dating sim part might need at least a few "less serious tracks", if/when implemented.) --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 16:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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''Wired, electric hum?''
  
== Locked pages ==
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I always had another life, on the Wired.
As a test, I just semi-protected this page. アラベスク, could make sure you can still edit it? [[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 01:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
:Seems to work. --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 09:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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There, I could connect to people. It's not like the real world, where I mess up such stupid things as one line in a play.
  
==Art==
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Writing is so much easier than speaking. It doesn't make me freeze in place and shiver and want to cry.
So I drew Lain for the first time in ages. How does it look? Does this style work with the lighter stories? The darker ones will probably have duller shades of the same colours, plus possibly some textures. [[User:Amysteriousgal|Amysteriousgal]] 14:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 
  
:I like it. I suppose even intentionally having different visual styles between the various stories might work. --[[User:アラベスク|アラベスク]] 15:07, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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On the Wired, people listen to what I say. I don't have to seal my voice away, like I do in the real world, scared of saying something wrong and being hated.
  
:looks good to me. I would say maybe make her eyes a little larger, theyre a little too close to accurate for an anime style as-is.[[User:Bytor|Bytor]] 17:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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'''Stranger:''' 'You're amazing! Thank you so much!'
  
::Yeah, that happens a lot. I've adjusted them. If all goes well, the dark versions will be up in a few hours. [[User:Amysteriousgal|Amysteriousgal]] 00:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
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'''Chisa:''' 'It's nothing, I'm glad I was able to help.'
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That's why I always wanted to live on the Wired.
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Maybe someday, I'll be able to.
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''Street near Lain's home, electric hum?''
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There's this girl in another class called Iwakura Lain.
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She's quiet, like me. I think she's lonely, too.
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Today, I walked home together with her.
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We didn't really talk about anything, but it was nice being beside her.
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She felt familiar. Maybe it's because I saw myself in her, but it seems like something else.
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Oh, I get it.
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Being with her feels like being on the Wired.
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I wonder why.
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''Classroom, chattering''
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A few girls tried to make friends with me today.
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I think they were in Lain's class.
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They took me to this nightclub called 'Cyberia'. I'd never been there before, so I was a little scared.
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'''Alice:''' 'Don't worry. It'll be fun!'
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'''Reika:''' 'Are you sure? A place like Cyberia doesn't suit her at all.'
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'''Alice:''' 'It's fine, I'm sure she'll be different once we get her to open up a little.'
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''Cyberia, louder chattering''
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In the end, I didn't really do anything there. There were so many people and it was all noisy and crowded... I wanted to run away.
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How many of those people do you think were having fun?
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Those girls tried to be nice. They tried to make me dance along with them, but I didn't know how. I think they gave up quite quickly.
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Are they really friends if they want me to be someone I'm not?
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''Wired, ?''
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'''Stranger:''' 'You shouldn't make friends with people like them.'
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'''Stranger:''' 'You can just stay on the Wired. You can be yourself here.'
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'''Chisa:''' 'That's right. Thank you for understanding.'
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Yes, that's right. I don't belong here, in the real world.
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I belong on the Wired.
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Just like Lain.
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I don't know how, but I know that Lain belongs on the Wired.
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...Even though I've never seen her use a NAVI before.
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I think we would be happy in the Wired.
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We would finally be able to connect. We wouldn't have to walk in silence together anymore.
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''Wired, ?''
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I heard something interesting on the Wired today.
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Someone claiming to be in the Knights posted it.
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God is here.
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God lives in the Wired. He is as omnipresent as the Wired. He sees and knows everything. He connected all of us and is connected to all of us.
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He loves all of us.
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...I wonder if He can truly love someone like me, someone awkward and useless who is a burden to my family and has no friends.
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'''Knight:''' He can.
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'''Knight:''' He will love you as long as you are on the Wired.
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'''Chisa:''' I want to be on the Wired forever, then.
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'''Knight:''' You can. I'll show you how.
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He told me about the Psyche processor and how it would let me materialise in the Wired without a NAVI.
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...He told me about abandoning the flesh.
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'''Chisa:''' Is that really the only way? It sounds scary.
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'''Knight:''' Don't you think it's a burden having to eat and sleep? You can be free from all that.
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'''Chisa:''' That's true, but...
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'''Knight:''' The real world doesn't need you, anyway.
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''...The real world doesn't need me, anyway.''
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''Close-up on Psyche?''
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The Psyche processor arrived today. I found it on my desk when I got home.
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There was a letter together with it.
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''Whenever you are ready. We're waiting for you.''
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''Empty corridor, silence''
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I'm still going to school as usual, still living as usual.
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Dying is scary, after all.
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I saw Lain at school today. She didn't seem to notice me.
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...I want to be her friend.
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I want to, but I don't know how, and I don't know if she likes me. I can only make friends on the Wired.
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I want to at least talk to her.
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In the real world, the only person I can talk to is myself, so I close my eyes and pretend.
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''Black, silence''
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'''Chisa:''' Come to the Wired as soon as you can.
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'''Chisa:''' OK?
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'''Chisa:''' Lain?
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I open my eyes again.
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''Empty corridor, silence''
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I'm alone. I'm still alone. In this bitter world where I don't belong, I'm always alone.
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''Shibuya at night, city noise''
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I decided something today.
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I decided to leave. To go to a better place.
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...To abandon the flesh.
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There are lots of tall buildings in Shibuya. Lots of girls walking on the streets. I'm the only one running, because unlike these people who are merely heading for the shallow chaos of places like Cyberia, I have a wonderful place to go to.
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My breath is getting so heavy that it's painful. I lean against the wall, trying not to collapse. People are staring, and I silently curse my current state.
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Such a useless body. So limited. So pathetic. It's nothing more than a prison to me.
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Well, that's alright.
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I'm going home.
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To the Wired.
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I'll finally, finally be free.
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''Top of building, quieter city noise?''
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...The street looks so far away. Maybe I'm still a little scared. Will it hurt? Will it?
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No, I can't think about that now. I've decided.
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This night is so beautiful. I take off my glasses so that I can't see how far it is to the ground, untie my hair to let it drift in the wind. I free myself.
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For a moment, I even feel like I could fly.
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Softly, I whisper into the breeze - my last words that nobody will hear.
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The railing feels cold.
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This might be the last time I can feel 'cold'.
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This might be the last time I can see the streets of Shibuya and feel the wind in my hair.
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I let it all go.
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Revision as of 12:00, 20 December 2012

Written by Amysteriousgal

Last updated 2012-12-19


Suggested background: Blurry anime screencaps, possibly in black and white/sepia? There's no need for any people to appear in this one. It should be more effective if we don't include other people beyond some chattering in the background noise.


Classroom, chattering

Chisa: 'I'm sorry... I'm sorry...'

I don't know why, but I can never do anything right.

It was only a minor role in our class play. I only had one line. Just one.

...But I couldn't say it. It got to my turn and... I couldn't say anything! At all!

Everyone was staring at me. Everyone was waiting for me. The main character couldn't do anything until I gave him his cue.

I started shaking.

I wanted to cry.

I was so confused.

Why was this happening?

I think they moved on somehow. The play continued. They all left me behind.

Black, silence

...And then, suddenly, I understood it.

They didn't need me.

The world didn't need me.

Everything became so clear as soon as I noticed.

Chisa: 'I...'

Chisa: '...don't need to be here.'


Wired, electric hum?

I always had another life, on the Wired.

There, I could connect to people. It's not like the real world, where I mess up such stupid things as one line in a play.

Writing is so much easier than speaking. It doesn't make me freeze in place and shiver and want to cry.

On the Wired, people listen to what I say. I don't have to seal my voice away, like I do in the real world, scared of saying something wrong and being hated.

Stranger: 'You're amazing! Thank you so much!'

Chisa: 'It's nothing, I'm glad I was able to help.'

That's why I always wanted to live on the Wired.

Maybe someday, I'll be able to.


Street near Lain's home, electric hum?

There's this girl in another class called Iwakura Lain.

She's quiet, like me. I think she's lonely, too.

Today, I walked home together with her.

We didn't really talk about anything, but it was nice being beside her.

She felt familiar. Maybe it's because I saw myself in her, but it seems like something else.

Oh, I get it.

Being with her feels like being on the Wired.

I wonder why.


Classroom, chattering

A few girls tried to make friends with me today.

I think they were in Lain's class.

They took me to this nightclub called 'Cyberia'. I'd never been there before, so I was a little scared.

Alice: 'Don't worry. It'll be fun!'

Reika: 'Are you sure? A place like Cyberia doesn't suit her at all.'

Alice: 'It's fine, I'm sure she'll be different once we get her to open up a little.'

Cyberia, louder chattering

In the end, I didn't really do anything there. There were so many people and it was all noisy and crowded... I wanted to run away.

How many of those people do you think were having fun?

Those girls tried to be nice. They tried to make me dance along with them, but I didn't know how. I think they gave up quite quickly.

Are they really friends if they want me to be someone I'm not?

Wired, ?

Stranger: 'You shouldn't make friends with people like them.'

Stranger: 'You can just stay on the Wired. You can be yourself here.'

Chisa: 'That's right. Thank you for understanding.'

Yes, that's right. I don't belong here, in the real world.

I belong on the Wired.

Just like Lain.

I don't know how, but I know that Lain belongs on the Wired.

...Even though I've never seen her use a NAVI before.

I think we would be happy in the Wired.

We would finally be able to connect. We wouldn't have to walk in silence together anymore.


Wired, ?

I heard something interesting on the Wired today.

Someone claiming to be in the Knights posted it.

God is here.

God lives in the Wired. He is as omnipresent as the Wired. He sees and knows everything. He connected all of us and is connected to all of us.

He loves all of us.

...I wonder if He can truly love someone like me, someone awkward and useless who is a burden to my family and has no friends.

Knight: He can.

Knight: He will love you as long as you are on the Wired.

Chisa: I want to be on the Wired forever, then.

Knight: You can. I'll show you how.

He told me about the Psyche processor and how it would let me materialise in the Wired without a NAVI.

...He told me about abandoning the flesh.

Chisa: Is that really the only way? It sounds scary.

Knight: Don't you think it's a burden having to eat and sleep? You can be free from all that.

Chisa: That's true, but...

Knight: The real world doesn't need you, anyway.

...The real world doesn't need me, anyway.


Close-up on Psyche?

The Psyche processor arrived today. I found it on my desk when I got home.

There was a letter together with it.

Whenever you are ready. We're waiting for you.


Empty corridor, silence

I'm still going to school as usual, still living as usual.

Dying is scary, after all.

I saw Lain at school today. She didn't seem to notice me.

...I want to be her friend.

I want to, but I don't know how, and I don't know if she likes me. I can only make friends on the Wired.

I want to at least talk to her.

In the real world, the only person I can talk to is myself, so I close my eyes and pretend.

Black, silence

Chisa: Come to the Wired as soon as you can.

Chisa: OK?

Chisa: Lain?

I open my eyes again.

Empty corridor, silence

I'm alone. I'm still alone. In this bitter world where I don't belong, I'm always alone.


Shibuya at night, city noise

I decided something today.

I decided to leave. To go to a better place.

...To abandon the flesh.

There are lots of tall buildings in Shibuya. Lots of girls walking on the streets. I'm the only one running, because unlike these people who are merely heading for the shallow chaos of places like Cyberia, I have a wonderful place to go to.

My breath is getting so heavy that it's painful. I lean against the wall, trying not to collapse. People are staring, and I silently curse my current state.

Such a useless body. So limited. So pathetic. It's nothing more than a prison to me.

Well, that's alright.

I'm going home.

To the Wired.

I'll finally, finally be free.


Top of building, quieter city noise?

...The street looks so far away. Maybe I'm still a little scared. Will it hurt? Will it?

No, I can't think about that now. I've decided.

This night is so beautiful. I take off my glasses so that I can't see how far it is to the ground, untie my hair to let it drift in the wind. I free myself.

For a moment, I even feel like I could fly.

Softly, I whisper into the breeze - my last words that nobody will hear.

The railing feels cold.

This might be the last time I can feel 'cold'.

This might be the last time I can see the streets of Shibuya and feel the wind in my hair.

I let it all go.


Come to the Wired
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